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[Crockett82]

Any ideas why Stein and Shankly never got a deserved Knighthood in their lifetime? Yet Busby & Ramsay did?

Why are the likes of Dalglish and Law not Knighted for their services to Sport and their charity work yet Trevor F*cking Brooking is?

Should Sir Alex now be a Lord?

Is there actually a system to how its decided or is it made up on the spot?

Edited by Crockett82, 02 July 2012 - 01:44 PM.

[adamntg]

Maybe they asked them if they wanted considered and they were told to ram it? Can't imagine a good socialist like Shankly accepting one of their idiotic, medieval honours.

Would you want to be a Member of the British Empire? Sure I wouldn't.

[mcnpauls]

Some papers declassified a few years back indicate Stein didn't get one because of the violence at teh World Club championship matches between Celting and Racing Club.

I suspect Shankly wouldn'y have been interested.

However, i also suspect old-fashioned snobbery coame into it, too - things are still bad enough now, but in Stenin and Shanklye's heyday, working class blokes could rarely expect a knighthood, no matter how brilliantly they did, whereas ever public schoolboy who became a useless civil servant over a certain rank was gauarantted one.

Busby probably edged ahead due to understandable sympathy for Munich tragedy, too.

[aaid]

You can make a case for Stein but in comparison to anyone listed here Shankly's achievements don't stand comparison. He may have laid the foundations but Liverpools domination in the late 70s and early 80s was under Paisley.

Ferguson deserves credit for his achievements at both Aberdeen and Man Utd. Arguably Clough should have been treated similarly.

Bottom line is that the honours system itself has changed over the intervening years.

[Dalgety Bay TA]

Any ideas why Stein and Shankly never got a deserved Knighthood in their lifetime? Yet Busby & Ramsay did?

Why do you think Shankly deserved a knighthood? Was he really that successful a manager? 6 trophies with Liverpool, 3 in the early/mid 60's, 3 in the early 70's, isn't exactly a massive achievement. Ohh and he made some quite famous quotes as well. If you are talking about anyone from Liverpool deserving a knighthood then Bob Paisley would be far more deserving for his achievements with them.

Ramsey is an obvious one for managing Englands WC winning team. Busby for a combination of coming back from Munich and managing Englands first European Cup winners. Stein is the real glaring omission but as someone else pointed out, the World Club Cup games v Racing were used as the reason not to give him a knighthood.

[Crockett82]

It isn't about trophies. The guy laid the foundations. Take away the foundations and you can scrap all the trophies that followed. Look at Liverpool when he took over. Look what they became. A little respect for the man whose passion drove the club forward seems fair? Bob Paisley and Brian Clough should have been knighted too. Clough I imagine was too outspoken.

[aaid]

It isn't about trophies.

As far as sport is concerned, yes it is. There are any number of managers who have more impressive records than Shankly.